Episode 67
Tron Legacy (2010) - Scores and Sequel Pitches
The meeting of minds is back! This week, Ross is hosting, as Andy and Drew go head to head to pitch their sequels for the 2010 Sci-Fi legacy Sequel Tron Legacy, directed by Joseph Kosinski (of Top Gun Maverick fame) and starring Garrett Hedlund, Olivia Wilde, Bruce Boxleitner, Michael Sheen channelling David Bowie, Jeff Bridges and Jeff Bridges dead-eyed 2010 digital double
Expect a lot of chat about how damned good the Daft Punk score to this movie is, a lot of ripping off of the Matrix sequels, and three men absolutely not understanding how computers work. Also, thanks to previous special guest Mike Bithell for inspiring us to pitch these sequels; if you enjoy Tron, digital novels and/or puzzle games, then get yourself onto the Steam store on your PC or the Nintendo store for the Switch and pick up a copy of Tron Identity from Bithell Games. You won't regret it!
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::Sequel Pitch A digital frontier. I try to pitch your sequels as they move through the podcast. What did they look like? Action scenes. Dwayne. The Rock Johnson with the sequels like freeways.
::I kept dreaming of a world I thought I'd never see. And then.
::You got in.
::That's right, kid. I got in.
::And the sequel was more beautiful than they ever dreamed, and also more dangerous than I ever imagined. Now I'm in bed now, kiddo. Come on now. I met a brave warrior.
::OK.
::Drew bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, drew. He fights for the podcast. He sure does. Ohh man, he showed me things that no one had ever imagined that would be sequel fights fought in spectacular arenas and sequel ideas that were like ribbons of Shiite.
::So radical and together.
::You build a sequel. We built a new sequel for listeners and patrons. Now I couldn't be in there all the time, so I created a sequel in my own image that could think like you and me.
::And I called.
::Him, Andy. Absolute. Nutty dreamer. Yada bite. That's right. And Andy drew an eye. We built a podcast where all sequels were free and open.
::What was it?
::It was an ISO named Matt.
::Hello and welcome users to another episode of sequel Pitch, a film podcast in which four friends pitch movie sequels that don't already have them and battle out to say theirs is the winner.
::There was your movie into.
::So very good.
::I was there.
::I had me hooked, man. I didn't. When you stopped you.
::Could have done the whole movie.
::Why did you make me the turn the bad guy?
::So in case.
::No, you're. You're, you're.
::Yeah, you're cool.
::Your clue? You know, he wasn't always bad, as you probably can tell from the episode title.
::And that little intro we are pitching sequels to the 2010 Tron legacy, directed by Joseph.
::Because since key.
::And so in case you haven't seen it, go and watch it and we'll wait.
::OK, look, if you insist, we can do a 62nd synopsis. That may be that length, but it might not be.
::So here we go. In 1989, computer genius Kevin Flynn tells his young son about his adventures in the cyber world of Tron.
::He talks about the friends he's made and his emissary clue, which is a programme he made in his likeness. He promises that one day he'll take him to the grid.
::But Flynn disappears and Sam is devastated 20 years later, his father come his father's company. Income is being a operated by the board, who take the company in a different direction, as opposed to Flynn, Sam spends his time mopping over mapping.
::Mopping. Moping. Sorry. Yes, moping. You even though you haven't even written it? Moping over his father's disappearance and pulling a prank on the board one day? Alan Bradley, his father's best friend, tells Sam that he's got a page from the phone at his father's office at his arcade. Sam wonders why it's so important.
::Alan tells him because it's the numbers been disconnected for 20 years.
::Alan still clings to the hope that Flynn is out there and he didn't walk away from his work and Sam, he gives Sam the keys to the arcade.
::Sam goes there and finds his father's workstation and after entering a few codes, finds himself in the grid.
::Ohh **** after being mistaken and mistaken for a programme he finds himself subject to all sorts of contests.
::But when they discover he is not programmed but a user, he is brought to the head man, who Sam thinks is his father, but later discovers it's ******* clue.
::And he makes Sam take part in a light cycle. Bow Sam is saved by a programme named Cora, who takes him to his farm.
::Takes him to his father. Yeah, that's where he tells Sam. That clue turned on him and was planning to enter the world to fix the imperfections.
::So to stop him, he closed the portal, trapping himself there, which is why he never came back. Sam wants to go back, but Flynn doesn't.
::Want to give? Doesn't want to give to clue the chance to carry out his plan so he chooses not to, but sanctifies him back. They have a fight. They go to the thing and the portal and then Sam goes.
::And he's like, no, take her. Take her to the real world, which doesn't make any sense. Uh, so a programme goes out into the real world. Uh, not sure how that happens. Uh clue then tries to run at Sam.
::But then is sort of sucked off by Jeff Bridges back inside.
::Self and Jeff Bridges does a sort of coming hummy ah explosion thing that blows up all the troops that were gonna leave and go into the real world.
::Yeah, I ****** out by the end of that because I forgot to write the end bit of that synopsis. So there you go.
::Yeah, I'm not too sure.
::How long we've got left of the podcast now, but.
::So there you go guys, you are clued up, right. So let's find out what we thought of this movie.
::Very good, very good.
::We're going to give our base thoughts and scores out of five and then I'll give you what Matt thought of it as well.
::Uh, let's go with Andy.
::I uh, I got bored during this movie a lot. Uh, it wasn't as good as the first. Uh, it was quite repetitive. I made notes, but still have forgotten a lot about this movie.
::UM, so I'm going to give it uh 1.5 Jedi mind punches.
::Jedi mind punch. Stupid, stupid, yeah.
::1.5.
::Well, that is probably, yeah, that is going.
::Yeah, your housers.
::To be one of the.
::UM, OK, fair enough, drew.
::What did you think?
::I I I quite like this from this movie I never saw. I I didn't see the original until after I had seen this and like I was, I was excited for this because of Daft Punk.
::That was that was the Big deal that like, whoa, Daft Punk are doing the soundtrack and that's why I saw it and I thought.
::It's fine. It's fine like.
::You can't think about it too much. You can't try. Try trying to make this it work in terms of.
::The world outside of the grid and things is really, really hard and we'll I'm sure we'll get into that when we get to pitching so.
::And stuff, but I thought it it looked incredible. The musics fantastic. I I I liked Garrett Hedlund as Sam.
::I know a lot of people didn't, but I did. Olivia Wilde was great. Jeff Bridges being being effectively the dude again.
::Like right down to the white robes.
::Yeah, yeah, yeah.
::Jazz man, do jazz, man, digital jazz and.
::And and yeah, I thought I thought it was pretty cool. I'll go into more details in a bit, but I I'm giving it.
::I'm giving it 4/4.
::4 inappropriate AI computer slave girls dressing people out of five.
::I I'm going to, I'm going to say that this movie.
::When it came out, I think they they they pushed the the visualisation and the visuals for this movie and they really I think they go even further to show that this is a, you know, a digital world more so than the other one. The first one in terms of like, you know the.
::The first one being such a.
::A massive leap in technology in terms of what it did, I feel that this one kind of did that again, you know, with the with the CGI characters and Jeff Bridges being young in it.
::I think the soundtrack is amazing, like even like when obviously when I was rewatching it, I've obviously downloaded the soundtrack and I've been listening to it like for the last like 2 weeks, just so good.
::I'm not wasn't a massive fan of Sam, the actor that played him.
::I can't wait to get into.
::The review section.
::How have I?
::Thought Jeff Bridges and and Cora and.
::The other, the other actors were very good in it. What was, what's his name from Michael Sheen? Yeah, being in it.
::Randomly. Odd. Yeah. So I'm going to give this.
::I I really like the story of like a father and the the father and Son relationship, so I'm.
::Going to give it.
::I'm gonna meet Drew, and I'm gonna say 4 daft punks out of five.
::Dragging this episode down and hope that's on my on my side.
::You are and now I'm going to give you Matt's thoughts. He's sent them to me over the by digital grid that is WhatsApp and I will now tell you.
::The movie sound the movie soundtrack ******* pops.
::Visually stunning, albeit apart from the costumes, ironically, which left me feeling like it was glow sticks stuck on the black body suit.
::Sometimes the movie offers something fun, but not original. In a sun, in a son, on a mission to find his father, this one happens to be a leap into what I'm guessing.
::Is what any broadband moguls HQ looks like. It's fun, fast-paced and I enjoyed it. I'm certainly looking forward to what Disney will do with the franchise now that they have the power of Marvel and a tonne of sci-fi.
::Experience as it did feel a bit washy at times. Did I mention how ******* good the soundtrack is? Bad go 3.75 out of five.
::There we go.
::So what does that give us, drew?
::Uh comes out at 3.31 out of five, so it is definitely a recommendation nearest.
::Near. Not. Not from Andy at all. Actually comes in slightly above fast. 9 is our nearest nearest comparison. So there we go.
::Well, what would you give the first one?
::I'm I I like the first one, but it was also kind of.
::Boring. I love the first one more.
::The first one I'll give easy like 4.5 even. Yeah, I love the first one. I came into it quite late as well.
::I think the first time I watched him have been like after uni, so like, I don't know, something about maybe just the crappy graphics and all stuff like that like that had.
::Had just had charm. That was.
::It's very it is. It's very charming. It's.
::That was the main thing a little.
::Yeah, yeah, that was all. Give us a sneak peek into the review. It's very cold. This movie, isn't it? There's just nothing there. But we get into it. Yeah, so.
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::I think it's time to get in all pitch cycles and go head to head.
::As it's time to get your sequels pitched as usual, the rules are all the same. It's a head-to-head this time, so you won't have Matt to contest with, but you're gonna go head to head. I might have some questions for you at the end and we will see who is the winner.
::And we'll take on the mantle as.
::Had to use a.
::Look, so let's go with.
::And D what is your title?
::OK.
::Right, so I've got a few I got stuck on the rhyming and puns names, so bear with me.
::Oh, she did.
::So first of all I wanted a a a crossover with Anchorman, so it's gonna be Tron Burgundy.
::UM, Sam was going to be bed bound the whole movie with bad case of tonsillitis. With the wind, another crossover with Transformers.
::Trump the with.
::2 trans don't make a right. I mean, I could go on. I've got the I've got the **** film as.
::Well, which is transexual but the.
::I got it.
::All right, Tron takeover.
::OK.
::That's the actual title, right? So we've hope Flynn may still be alive. Sam and Cora enter the grid to find the truth. But what goes in might not be what comes out.
::Right. So we opened ten years after legacy.
::In a world that's kind of UM similar to ours in terms of technology that must have product of the time, is this new, improved diligent disc?
::Uh, it's a small not my uh micro disc that can be implanted into the brain and we see an advert pop up with Cillian Murphy returning and he describes the first Dillinger disc merely was for gaming and now you can use this new improved.
::Want to chat with your friends, work from home without a laptop? You know all the things online we pull out and we see Sam and Cora watching this on a TV. It's a commercial. Oh, God. That was American. It's an advert. Sorry.
::Uh, Sam Cora are in love because I that's how I saw it at the end, living happily together, we see uh Sam is still kind of dealing with losing his dad.
::He's not completely over it. Uh, and he says the Dillinger disc is just a cheap imitation of the encom disc.
::Uh, but he doesn't have one, and because he doesn't trust them and Cora doesn't have one because she doesn't obviously need one.
::One night, Cora has a dream and sees Flynn. So the next day she she wakes up Sam and tells him about it and he says like, yeah, yeah, I dream about him every night too. But Cora says no, Sam, I can't dream.
::So I think it's a message sent from Flynn. She's still think he's alive and he might be trying to contact me.
::So Cora wants to go back and see if he's still alive, but Sam is hesitant. He only wants to go see his dad.
::But obviously he's a.
::Bit scared going back in case they don't come back. Eventually he agrees and they both go.
::Into the grid. Once in the grid, they realise that the programme seems fine.
::And seems to be running perfectly from the outside, but inside the programme is dying. Sam and Cora are caught by these programme goons and are taken to Flynn. Sam tries to hug Flynn, but Flynn starts choking him.
::Core then kicks Flynn and we send Flynn's old Flynn's face change into scary CGI young Jeff Bridges.
::But it's not as obviously.
::Clue. Uh. He says that when Flynn absorbed him at the end, he was able to copy his data and send it to a save file, but half of him copied and half of Flynn copied. So he's.
::Kind of half good.
::Half bad. He's constantly changing between good Flynn, bad Flynn, creepy CG. I face, old man CGI face.
::Old man, old man Flynn, like face comes out. Tell Sam to run. So they try and escape, but they're taken down by like, oh, remember the big army clue had that at the end of, like, the crime programmes and stuff. They're all clues now. They all look like him. So they surround Sam Acora and take him down.
::And Poo says he realises there is only one perfect system him and he plans to leave the grid and take over reality.
::Uh, so he corrupts core up and says uh, because she's been living in reality for so long, he she's the link that will be able to help him leave core now. Evil kicks Sam off a ledge towards the sea of simulation.
::Evil Cora and clue leave the through the portal and once outside clue kind of programmes the laser to are gonna put aircrew prints.
::Uh. The grid? Uh, so the grid starts to affect our world, starts to reflect. Uh, reality. Uh shot Sam falling to the water. But before he hits it he saved by.
::Some sort of platform. It's kind of like like it has to be. It will work with the CGI, but basically saved like a platform.
::It's revealed that that's like the ghost of Tron. He somehow survived because he's so evolved and powerful he's survived to fall into the sea and he's just been kind of.
::Uh, saving his energy and living there? Uh, he said. He says he basically can sacrifice himself to open the portal and send Sam home, but once he's gone, he's literally gone forever. Uh, and will be down to say Sam to, you know, save the day.
::Clue in the real world goes to Dillinger Tower and Kelsey and Murphy. Realising this system Dillinger built is like ship and cheap.
::He corrupts the system and all the Dillinger discs that are being implanted and uses all around the world. Everyone who has disc starts to fall to the floor yelling in pain, but when they get up they've all turned into creepy CGI Jeff Bridges.
::Obviously the arc glue.
::Clue users the users basically to tell everyone in the world there you have to become him or die and then we have cuts of families refusing and fighting and bar fights and you know thousands of clues just taken over the world like a infestation.
::Uh, Sam kind of realises where clue is uh fight some clue copies and has some like like cycles on the way to him as more of the grid.
::Infects reality when Sam gets the tower clue makes evil Cora. Fight him. Cora nearly fights Sam because she can control the grid a bit.
::Like uh, Flynn could in in legacy, uh, but obviously right before he kills her, he brings her around with the power of love.
::Uh, so they all have a big fight. Uh, Sam and Cora, and loads of clues. Uh, finally they get to the big bad himself.
::Uh, Finn, like kind of breaks free long enough to tell Sam that he needs to get clue back into the grid and then destroy the programme forever. Sam says no, no, no, I can't do that. I mean, we will literally be losing you forever.
::And then kind of Finn and Finn Flynn and Sam can finally get like, a a proper goodbye and then they defeat clue and delete the programme. And everyone lives happily ever after.
::Or do they as an after credit scene clue was revealed to still be alive in the Internet?
::Oh, like Ultron?
::Not at all like Ultron. What are you talking about?
::What is this, Ultron? You speak of?
::I got. I'll try.
::Thank you, Andy.
::How did I not think of that as a ******* title? Actually? What?
::UM, just a couple of questions. Do you feel having Jeff Bridges come back after sacrificing himself for his son to only come back to sacrifice himself for his son again? Is a bit cheapening the first one or the 2nd?
::No, because he he he has to. This time he has to come back. It's only half of them. It's a it's a whole new experience and he's.
::Bringing whole new motivation.
::So now it's it's. It's another big sacrifice. That's what he. That's what he has to do. But they it's all about the big farewell. You know that Sam could finally let his father go. That's what this whole story is about.
::I mean, he has.
::OK. OK, I'll. I'll leave it to through to. Oh, sorry. OK.
::So basically in your story clue is Agent Smith and he's trying to inject his and make loads of agents.
::Agent clues. Yeah. This is Agent Smith, he told.
::What I don't know, me, me.
::Me. OK, there might be similarities with some films.
::Already out there, but it works with this film.
::Yeah, you know, now I'm just just, I can see a little similarity on.
::Yeah. What happened after? So this is a question I just wanted a clarification on what happened. You might not know the answer, but what happened after?
::Sam got out the grid for then M com N com to like come out with this like.
::This new chip because, like, didn't didn't.
::And the new.
::What's his ******* real name? Not trot. The Tron real life, Tron.
::In the real world.
::The guy who played.
::Him. Yeah. His name is who Jeff Bridges is ******* mate. Yeah. Anyway, him.
::Yeah, he has a conversation with Alan. That's it. Alan has a conversation with Sam saying. Ohh, yeah, you're gonna, he's like, oh, I think I'm gonna come back. So what?
::Oh, Alan, sorry. Yeah.
::He left he.
::Left, he left Alan in charge. He was the CEO and then he just.
::He just left Alan and George even though he went on.
::Yeah, he said. Hey, he said he was like your CEO now and he's like I'm.
::No, no, no, no. He no, he he made Alan the chairman, but he was gonna come.
::A piece out and hit my motorbike.
::Back as CEO, that's fine.
::Yeah. Well, it's, it's it's 10 years, it's been 10 years. He's like still there. Maybe he's still working for the company. That's how he.
::Got in so easily, OK.
::All right. Just just clarifying, sorry, that's fine. OK. Thank you. Andy, we will move over to our next.
::Combatant in the arena. Well, come yours anyway. Uh, yes. What is your title?
::My title is Cron iteration.
::Oh, nice, cool.
::Because I was trying to, I was like ohh what's how do you? I calling it Tron VV 3.0.
::So like, just felt a little bit hackneyed. So there we go.
::Yeah, yeah. Gone. You can give a little blurb if.
::You want? Yeah, my blurb is years after Quora.
::Yeah, it's hard to.
::Say it is it. I want to say Quora, but you can just say Quora or that's what they say.
::So ******* years after Cora was rescued from the grid in Flynn's arcade and Sam took control of Encom, the pair are on the cusp of using the secrets of Korea's ISO DNA to fundamentally change the world.
::But when a figure from the past comes for retribution, Sam and Cora must run and fight for the future of the grid. And perhaps humanity itself.
::Ohh go for it. So OK.
::Movie opens with games on the grid. There's two fighters, they're doing disc fights. They have a light cycle battle, but every time one of them should have died, they don't actually die. And then finally they end on a new game that.
::We haven't seen and they've fused their discs into like a mainframe thing and with their minds control huge armies and it's like a real big mental strain on the two people.
::And then the figure wearing black with pure white light winds and they removed their helmets. We see that it's salmon, kora kora. Happy in victory, Sam. good-natured in defeat.
::They say break time is over. It's time to get.
::Back to work.
::It's time for some exposition. They ZAP back off of the grid and into their office at Encom Tower.
::Alan Bradley shows up and they talk. They have a nice exposition to talk about all the work they've been.
::Doing for the.
::Last 13 years, Sam used the models like the the grids and the backups from Flynn's arcades grid.
::To build a new grid purpose built for researching cores DNA, despite it being like the most powerful computing system ever built, mapping cores, code and DNA to unlock cleans vision of what she could bring to humanity has taken the better part of a decade.
::But now they are super.
::Close A Chekhov security guard comes in. Uh. They're on first. First name terms with they're very good friends and has a bit more exposition saying, oh, they're they're the only ones in the building.
::OK.
::They're working late on the weekend and don't stay up too late. You 2 and.
::And they're still.
::Working, they go down to their other lab.
::Where they've got sections.
::Of code and the DNA. And they're using complex processes to identify the areas of her DNA that translate into the code, and they're matching bits up and all of that stuff, and they discuss the fact that even though core is not human, she's going to change the course of human development.
::And core is sad that she's the last ISO, but has found her place with humans and then boom.
::The plot arrives, the lights go out, the building goes back-to-back up power. There's no communications with the outside.
::They start looking around the floor and they see a few men in black tactical gear with with guns slowly sort of sweep.
::On the floor, not with brooms like they're looking around the.
::Floor. They they bump into the Chekhov security guard who looks really guilty and admits that someone threatened to kill their family if they didn't help them break into the building.
::But they obviously feel really bad about it. The guard tells them that the people are after they're researching.
::The Isos and DNA, even though no one but Cora and Sam know exactly what it's all about, they're about to be discovered. The God sacrifices themselves and helps Cora and Sam escape.
::We then have a mini like 10 minute section of the raid where the two of them have to like sneak fight their way up the building using their techno. How and like.
::And and using using their knowledge of the building and stuff to get past all the baddies and make it back up to the office where their grid is. It's definitely extremely cool.
::They make it up to their grid and they're confronted by Killian Murphy. Edward Dillinger Junior has returned in both movies. He is ******.
::Off he's been working on his own version of AI for the last 10 years and has used it to break into their systems and knows that they've been working on what they've been working on, or roughly what they've been working.
::And he feels like it should have been his cause. The company should have been his father's and blah blah blah.
::Like Big family drama, high drama, He knows they're the only ones with access to the research, so he's going to steal their results from the grid and make them disappear and destroy the building. And and no one in the world.
::Will know that the research wasn't his instead of theirs.
::Sam and Cora like dive into the laser, cause they know that Dillinger can't turn it off and move the move the system, because then everything will get wiped. They've got to get into the grid, get to the data.
::Download it onto one of their discs and then figure out how to escape. They get chased by Dillinger and Dillinger imports, load of AI and it's really scary and not at all like Ultron when he's attacking Jarvis.
::And the AI comes in and starts assimilating the good programmes on their grid and turning them evil and a bit.
::Agent Smith, like and there's some similarities here. And so his army is growing every second, and there's lots of chasing and cool action scenes. And Sam and Cora Meat with their one of their like top advisors in the grid.
::And they discussed the fact that ohh, wait, ****, Sam, Sam and Cora can manipulate the grid as users like Flynn did in the first movie, but also the backups they used to build this grid are stored somewhere in the memory banks and they might come.
::Gain some information that will lead to more Isos. Oh my God.
::The baddies arrive. They have to run some more and big chase to the memory storage area. It the memory storage area is really cool, it's based on.
::It's based on what happens in Mike Bithell's game. The memory is all stored in trees. It's super cool.
::They're pursuing forces are too close. They can't escape. They can't even manipulate in the grid. They can't do it. So Cora says she'll hold them off.
::She uses the battle system from the game at the beginning because she's better at it than Sam, and she's sort of fighting them off as Sam goes for the date he gets the he gets to the.
::Data and before he can download the DNA stuff, he downloads the location of Flynn's backup arc server, which is the setting of Mike Bithell game.
::Again, that has more Isos. He downloads it, he tells core and comms, and she's like there are more Isos. We there are more. Oh my God, there are more.
::This is how this is how you win and so.
::She she sacrifices herself, she blows up the memory storage area that has all of her DNA data. She dies.
::She gets Sam on like one of her units and flies him back to the laser and shoots him out.
::And he's really sad and sort of and pegs it out of the building before Dillinger can exit the machine.
::And he runs off with the data.
::Knowing that he can try and find the location of the arc server which has more Isos and Dillinger blows up the building.
::But because he's so angry, he ***** it up and he blows himself up. Encom is all gone. All the research is gone.
::It looks very, very bad, but Sam has the data and he's going to try and save.
::The world again and avenge Korra.
::OK.
::Let's see, Mikes returned your messages.
::How much? Yeah.
::Now I I I played the game Andy, I bought it and I played it.
::Much cheaper than that.
::How much of your movie is actually in the grid? So there's a bit at the beginning and there's like the bit.
::Up to the sort of history bit uh, well after the Heister bit where the the guys come in, right?
::Yeah, I. So I have fallen into the trap that we often do with what all of us have occasionally with these pitches, where act one is extremely long and detailed, and then act two and three, which should.
::Run and run with.
::It really quick.
::Yeah. The majority of the pitch take up 3 paragraphs. So yeah, it's.
::I always do that.
::The the the opening the opening like games BIT is only like.
::10 minutes and then the exposition is another five or six. It it I'm seeing the beginning being quite quick. I'm hoping that within.
::OK.
::30 minutes they are back in the grid, which is then the remaining hour or so of the movie.
::Yeah. Yeah. OK. No, Tron.
::Ohh yeah, so. Ohh Dang it. Yeah. Tron. Sam was gonna find the backup that had the one that had Tron in it and he was gonna go in there while Cora was holding everyone off and get Tron to come and help. And then I.
::Was just like oh.
::That's just that is unnecessary.
::But there is still the he's got the data for the backups and so.
::There's a possibility he's still out there somewhere, maybe, or maybe not. And maybe we help the franchise move away from having to include Tron because it it it makes less and less sense. The longer this goes on.
::And last question.
::Why Killian Murphy? Why his character being the sort of art.
::Because he's he's in legacy and he is playing the son of the human baddie from the first movie, even though he's uncredited, I didn't realise he was uncredited in legacy, which is kind of cool. Yeah. And like, yeah, he his the guy who played his dad who played.
::The the the main thing I remember him from is the evil bodyguard in Titanic.
::Billy Billy Zanes henchman.
::Ohh yeah yeah yeah.
::Played such a good villain in the first one, I was like, you know what, there's this whole thing is like fantasy and high drama, and fathers and sons and and legacy and dynasties and.
::Stuff. So I was like, yeah, screw it, just have it. He's he's annoyed. He's been working on all the he's been making AI, but like language model AI like it is now in the real world that's been doing, like manipulating social media and doing evil stuff.
::OK.
::OK.
::OK, cool. Well, thank you both for pitching me your pictures.
::It's now time to get into the arena to grab your discs.
::Because you're going to battle now in a verbal disc war and we'll see who the winner is. So fight.
::Uh, I just want to ask a normal or a a non sarcastic or any question the start when you're saying Sam is doing stuff at the start, what is he actually doing? He's not like smart enough to be like.
::Uh, like, what does he actually?
::Do in the company.
::Well, now I I'm. I'm having him that he is like if he's smart enough in the previous movie to like, break in and get around all of their firewalls and change all the coding and.
::Yeah, you can be a big. You can be a good hacker and and do that, but you couldn't, like make all this stuff.
::I would argue.
::I know he just seems like a normal guy in the.
::First one. Now he seems like a super genius.
::I feel like the first one is a the 1st, the 2nd movie. His first appearance is setting him up as like a prodigy.
::I think they refer to him as, like a prodigy that he's that he's super clever and he's wasted all his potential and all that kind of stuff, but also as part of the exposition I would have it be like ohh man, we've spent a decade studying.
::Like bio mechanics and having to effectively become experts in DNA as well as computing over the last decade and just cover it like that.
::Uh, I don't buy that, but alright, fair enough.
::Yeah, no. 10 years of study definitely isn't enough to become an expert in.
::Something if you're really clever with.
::And I like, hey.
::The money in reverse was.
::Lifetime. It takes a lifetime to become an expert.
::Come on, 10 years is.
::Nothing. I like how you're like, how do?
::We get rid of the bad guy.
::Blow my blow himself up, yeah.
::Yeah, hoisted by on his own Pittard.
::No mines. Mines got more of an emotional core. Mines got this great relationship between a father.
::Again, yeah, yeah. But they, they, they, they finished what they started in two.
::No, they they. No you you restarted, you restarted what they finished into.
::That's what this is about. This is that their their heaven.
::It wasn't finished. It wasn't finished. They never they never got a real good goodbye.
::And brought that the same bad guy, the same bad guy with the same plan, which is to export himself into the real world.
::Yeah, that's what we wanted to see at the.
::End of the second when he was.
::Like I'm gonna.
::Get out there. You're like, yeah, let's see that.
::I got Tron in the real world.
::That's a great ******* third act of this other our reality being infected. And like all these weird CGI Jeff Bridges everywhere.
::It's it's not, no.
::Because it's just.
::It. Yeah, it's just Jeff Bridges. Zombies fighting with families in their living room being like, no.
::Scary is that.
::That's scary. Is that. And then we can play a dog. Where?
::But that's not, that's not conditionals. We're all here for. We're here for the, like, the bonkers Tron. Crazy light show. Visuals. Not. Not, not CGI. Jeffrey is fighting a mum in the living room.
::At the end, maybe they all die.
::That's in that I've got that in mind, yeah.
::But loads of CGI Jeff Bridges, that's what you want. But I've also got all the good stuff, the light cycles they.
::Go into the game, they come out the.
::Mine mine's got. Mine's got a lot more heart, I believe than and Drew's long one act. And then quick, quick fights and and that's.
::A lot more heart than.
::It then a woman who has accepted humanity and realised she's going to save the world and then has to let that go and literally have the moment of realising that she's not the last of her.
::Mind she can by destroying herself and her entire legacy, that she can actually allow two entire species to continue, and being that brave and Sam having to deal with.
::I didn't get that at.
::All. Well, that's on you, buddy. It's not. It's not. I I didn't make that clear.
::Stop stealing things from the games, alright and come up with original things. Alright, Agent Smith fights and **** like that. Let's move on.
::I I stole. I stole memories being stored in trees. And also that's not stealing. That's just ******* cannon for the series. Now, if you're too lazy to go out and ******* play the game.
::I'm sorry I'm not made of money and can just buy new games.
::How much have you spent on takeaways in the last week and could you spare £15 to play this instead?
::Absolutely not. Is that a good is that? Is that it? This is a good. This is a good.
::Plug for the game. Is that it? Only £15 for Tron.
::Yeah, actually, I'm OK. I might get that, but I didn't know that before going in, so that's unfair. He's Privy to information.
::I'm not. Mine's a lot more fun. Alright. Mines. What you want after you want to see this bad guy get into the real world and try and take it over?
::I don't want to see that I.
::You. Absolutely. You got boring nothing. Look.
::Want no villain? No. No set.
::Up about him in the first one. That's why I kill him.
::If I try to.
::How how do you continue to sell to tell interesting stories in the Tron world if the stakes are only ever? Ohh no, something bad's gonna get out. Ohh no.
::Put them in. It didn't work.
::We stopped it like we we it's.
::No, they're, they're, they're. He's completely gone now. Him and Tron have gone. This is the end. Then maybe I'll say as you. Maybe it's like Tron as something else. Now we can change the title.
::Still there, there's loads of stuff you can put in there, but now everything.
::'S back to normal. It's all.
::Happy. OK, so you're you're.
::Hey, you. You did a just on that. I'm not gonna. I don't like getting involved. But you did do an after credit scene of clue being in the Internet. So you. So you haven't you?
::That's right, the.
::Option is there.
::If Disney want to go ahead, if not, we can leave it and you can just.
::Be like in.
::The ooh, he could.
::Be that, like, creepy thing that you always think is in.
::Your on your.
::Computer looking at you like like ******* Moriarty in the BBC. Sherlock is actually dead, but they spend.
::Just keeps coming back. You never know.
::Being like ohh, maybe he's got no he's dead. Ohh. But or maybe no, he's no he's dead. Ohh but maybe.
::OK, gone, gone.
::I just Andy, Andy, just.
::He just did the second movie again, but more.
::And in the real world, with creepy Jeff Bridges, Zombie zombie army.
::Be so good to see. Do not tell me you do want to see that like act three and like act two and I'll see act one cause.
::Like, OK, alright.
::Alright. Are you seeing it as like a tidal wave? So Jeff Bridges only takes over a person who's had the games, the, the, the laptop in their head.
::And so he can't. How so?
::Are they all dead as well after?
::Well, that's The thing is you could you could make it dark as in they do and then like because I wanted originally was gonna be this whole thing of like man versus AI man versus computer.
::How much do we trust computers? Uhm, so we could have that. And basically, if they want to die and be like, oh, it's a lesson learned.
::If not their.
::Brain can again unquote reboot.
::And they can come back to normal.
::They stopped being Jeff Bridges. They go.
::Yeah, yeah, they go back, yeah.
::But there's some CGI left of their face and like.
::Yeah, maybe. Maybe, like his eye is.
::Like some of them have his nose. Some of them have his eyes, some some of them have have have his hair forever. Yeah.
::Left. Yeah, yeah. The chin just dropped off.
::That'd be amazing. Yeah, don't.
::Away from me? No.
::OK, and neutron.
::OK.
::No Tron. Are you kidding me? It's the ******* title though, drew.
::It can't be in it forever.
::Come on. Come on, drew.
::Hey, you've killed him. You've definitively killed him.
::I've still gotta get in.
::He's an important part of mine, he says.
::The main character.
::You can't just have him.
::Show up for a little.
::Let me have let me have a look through your.
::Pitch. Let me have a look. I can't find it.
::Find from no it's saying no results found.
::Alright, Andy. Andy again, you said he's definitely definitively, absolutely dead, but then have teased a post credit scene where the films are gonna continue. So how are you gonna do?
::It's it's not Tron. It's it's it's whatever's next after Tron, we call.
::A subsequent movies.
::It's still going to be called Tron. There is no way.
::It something else.
::That Disney ever rebranded this.
::Maybe it's like it's something else. Man. We could we could. Maybe there's something else with the new hero of of Film 4 is called Tron.
::Well, that's, that's what I that's how I see them doing it like they are going to. They'll make it that you can be a Tron. A Tron is like a a warrior.
::There we go.
::The users or something and it becomes a title, it's the whole ohh is James Bond actually his name or is it a code name thing?
::It's not in, just not in your pitch.
::That's what I'm saying.
::All right. I don't care. Tron. Tron was barely in the last one. Yeah.
::Right, I think I've made my decision. Andy, you've got some good moments in yours I like.
::A lot of it.
::Part of me does like the fact that you bring it into the real world, but then I'm also like ohh but also.
::It is in the real world. It's not in the Tron world. I like the idea of.
::Clue still being alive.
::I didn't massively enjoy the fact that you've brought Jeff Bridges back to sacrifice himself again. I like.
::I like the idea of UM.
::Yeah, like the the the company making these chips that are put in everyone's head, I think that's a cooler cool concept.
::I think you could have gone a little bit further with that, drew. I I like your ideas, I think.
::You know, basing it around what was left off on the on the, on the second one and the idea of like, you know, using the information that they gained from Corus disc and then the betrayal, I really, really I like the idea of the father and son, that aspect of that you're going for.
::With the son of the villain from the first movie I.
::Yeah, I think maybe you could have Tron in it just for this last one just.
::Just in the background somewhat.
::Just in this last one, I think your idea of having a minute would be good just for one more.
::And then I think you're right, it needs to move on, but I there can be only one winner and I am going to pick this week's winner.
::Drew Toynbee film with no Tron on no Tron.
::Ohh the sorry.
::We want Sharon, which one? Not three, because he's not in it.
::Andy, I just, I just feel like for a Tron movie, the grid you, we don't see much of the grid as as much as I want.
::This is on the outside comes out and the.
::I know and I think.
::In the flat Act, we are the grid.
::Yeah, yeah. But if you think of how bad Jeff Bridges looked in the real world.
::How bad is he gonna?
::We'd fix that. Let's fix that. We've we've got.
::With thousands of them.
::Technology. Now we can fix it.
::But yes, well done, drew. Uh, commendable and eve with your idea of from uh to.
::Tron legacy 2.
::On Legacy Part 2.
::Yeah, Part 2, the rebirth revolutions. Flash reloaded. Matrix. Agent Smith. I'm joking. Sorry.
::Legacy reboot from.
::What movie are we going to be doing next? Episode?
::Well, this episode or the next episode should be coming out around the 11th of July and on the 14th odd, there's a little movie called Mission Impossible, Dead Reckoning, Part 1 coming out.
::That has as a stunt in it that everyone in the world has seen 50 million times. That should have been the most impressive bit of the film, but now.
::Everyone's already seen it, but we haven't.
::Seen it on the big screen.
::Yet we haven't, and that's true. So.
::The main thing.
::I would like for us to watch Mission Impossible, fall out the 6th mission.
::The movie and then pitch our sequels to that.
::Get ready for hour long, Tom Cruise running scenes. Yes, most of these movies. I've got a question. Will we be penalised because this is part.
::Oh, my God. Yeah.
::This is reckoning part one. Will we be penalised if we technically end on like a Cliff hanger or something like that, leading to a?
::No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you can the.
::Part 2 basically.
::So I only have to write.
::Half a pitch, if it's really one, although that ****** me off so much. I I will say that's the only problem that I have with.
::Halfway through a.
::Sentence and just drop off.
::Across the spider verse, but anyway, that's we'll we'll, we'll cross that bridge another time. Yeah, it's ignore the fact that dead reckoning is a part one.
::It's if you're, if you're subsequent idea is A2 movie idea, wicked. If it's one idea. If it ends the franchise forever, if it. If it is just another self-contained story, I don't mind.
::OK, there we have it.
::So ladies and gentlemen, users.
::That is it. But I'm going to do a little special shout out to somebody who is a friend of our.
::Mike Bithell, who is a special guest who's been on this podcast a couple of Times Now. He's a lovely guy and he's a games designer, and he has created a game in.
::While the Tron the game is called Tron identity, it's available now and I'll read you the blurb.
::Something has been taken. Enter a new grid and forge alliances via visual novel gameplay, uncovering truth through identity disc puzzles make critical decisions and plot your own course in a world without a creator. It's got very positive reviews on Steam it is.
::What's it available on Drew? I think it's available on everything, isn't it?
::Currently it is available on Steam on PC or Nintendo Switch. Historically, their games have come to mobile and other consoles as well at some point.
::1499 uh. Would you rather have a crap takeaway like Andy does, or would you?
::Uh Tron identity from Bethel games. I know what?
::Yeah, or splash out and do and have a crap take away while you play it and just have a wild night, yeah.
::I want to choose.
::Yeah, I don't have crap takeaways. What's this?
::I'm spending £15 on a crap takeaway.
::So yeah, big shout out to Mike Bethel and his game, Tron identity. Thank you for the suggestion as well to do Tron legacy.
::I hope you enjoyed it. Give us a little tweet if you think Andy should have won with his agent Tron.
::That's it, ladies and gentlemen. It's goodbye from, oh, actually, one more. One more thing. Please shout about this podcast if you can.
::That is the way that we will grow our audience is if you go, hey, I know this podcast about four nerds talking about sequels. Hey, you should listen to it.
::Let us know what you think. That's the way we're going to grow this community is if we start talking about these sequels, start talking about.
::And our community, we want to build a community of loving film lovers and sequel lovers and and take all and and lover lovers and take away lovers and lovers.
::Yeah, Oompa Loompa lovers? Yeah, every kind of lover, Mr.
::Robert Shelby, right. So thank you, ladies and gentlemen, head on down to our patron if you would like to be a patron of the show and all that's left is say goodbye from our runner up, Andy.
::Goodbye. Goodbye everybody.
::And this week's winner, Drew Toynbee. And here's goodbye from me.
